Can medications be quietly robbing your body of essential nutrients? Join me, Dr. Jewel White-Williams, as I engage with Dr. Kathy Campbell, a visionary clinical wellness pharmacist and TEDxTulsa 2018 speaker, to answer this pressing question. Together, we unravel the complex relationship between drug-induced nutrient deficiencies and holistic health. Dr. Campbell offers her expert insights into the crucial role pharmacists play in safeguarding our well-being. Her groundbreaking program, Dr. Kathy's Nourish, champions the concept of food as medicine, promoting community health through pharmacy-led initiatives.
In our exploration, we shift the focus from obesity as a mere weight issue to a symptom revealing deeper health concerns. Drawing from my own experiences in nutritional and evolutionary science, we shed light on the profound impact of ultra-processed foods on our biochemical balance. We champion a proactive approach to health, emphasizing early detection of insulin imbalances to prevent conditions like diabetes. This episode challenges the traditional narrative of weight management and underscores the intricate links between diet, lifestyle, and our overall health.
Finally, the conversation emphasizes knowledge as a catalyst for empowerment. Dr. Kathy and I delve into the significance of understanding one's unique biochemical makeup to foster individualized healthcare. We discuss the pivotal role of mitochondria in energy production and the synergy between medication management, nutrition, and lifestyle changes. As we conclude, I encourage listeners to embrace informed choices that nurture both personal and community health. Subscribing to Cold Press Conversations ensures you stay connected to these transformative discussions that illuminate paths to enhanced health and happiness.
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Speaker 1: The other thing that many medications do that your
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listeners really need to know about is this concept called
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drug-induced nutrient deficiency , wow.
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Which means when you have a medication on board it can alter
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, use up, deplete nutrients that are critical, or it can even
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affect the absorption of nutrients.
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Or it can even affect the absorption of nutrients.
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So a lot of the acid blocking drugs for reflux will block
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completely many of critical nutrients, which starves that
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cell.
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More so, as a pharmacist, I am critically looking at that.
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I do not want a medication to cause problems down the road if
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I can avoid it problems down the road, if I can avoid it.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to Cold Press Conversations with Dr
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Jewel White-Williams, a lover of numbers, lists and a good
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glass of cold press juice, who is sharing episodes each week to
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help you explore the back end of healthcare and health
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sciences, where a lot of that grit is done.
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We'll dive into topics covering research, education and
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clinical practices, as well as guest shows with other leaders
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in the field.
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Pull up a seat and let's dive into these amazing and
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game-changing conversations.
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Hello, I am Dr Jewel and some people call me Dr and I am
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elated to be here on Cold Press Conversations with Dr Kathy
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Campbell.
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You know Cold Press Conversations is here to help
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influence and help patients, caregivers, community health
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workers and even our own medical professionals to learn and dive
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deep into what's actually happening in our communities.
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And that's the reason why I have Dr Kathy Campbell on here
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today.
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And I think some of you are understanding, as you watch this
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and when you do watch this, that you will see that I do have
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a deep passion for pharmacy.
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And the reason I have it is because one of my not the very
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first job I'm not going to tell you about that one, that was
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kind of fun.
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But the second job that I attained beyond that was
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actually a W-2, I was working for a very local and a very
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popular pharmacy that is located in Rhode Island, and I'll leave
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it just that.
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And during my time of working in pharmacy I had some amazing
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pharmacists that I worked with.
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I learned so much from them that I thought that being behind
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the scenes and hearing what they're doing and how they do
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what they're doing and they explain the process of what they
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were doing, that was back in the day when we had a count, and
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now I think it's a little bit different.
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You can hit a button and it comes on out.
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When we had a count and now I think it's a little bit
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different you can hit a button and it comes on out.
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So in that counting time, the slow part of it is when I
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learned about the process of what's happening in the field of
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pharmaceuticals and why they speak to the patient the way
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they speak to the patient, and that's the reason I wanted Dr
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Kathy Campbell here today.
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But before I go any further, I've got to give you who she is.
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I think it's important that we highlight who she is Now.
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I got to let y'all know I'm excited because she is a
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TEDxTulsa 2018 speaker, and I have to say that, but she's also
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a clinical wellness pharmacist and innovator.
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She received her Bachelor of Science of Zoology and Pharmacy
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from the University of Oklahoma and a Doctor of Pharmacy as well
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.
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She's practicing clinical pharmacy in Oklahoma since 1992.
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Together with her husband, dr Campbell has owned and operated
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MediCap Is it Owasso's Mm-hmm Owasso's Wellness Pharmacy and
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Compounding since 2001.
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Her serving of four generations of patients four generations,
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that's incredible has fostered a deep desire to support her
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community and, being an aging well, a lifelong entrepreneur
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and problem solver, dr Kathy has responded to the cultural
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health crisis by creating innovative solutions for
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patients, employers, the pharmacy industry.
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And Dr Kathy Weight Loss is an innovative pharmacy-led
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lifestyle and weight management program.
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And Dr Kathy Health creates a delivery of products and
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services to support pharmacy-based health and
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wellness.
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And Dr Kathy's Nourish is her newest initiative, which brings
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food is medicine understanding to patients through nutritious
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foods, recipes and pharmacy-led cooking demonstrations, in
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addition to a robust appointment-based clinical
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community practice.
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She is in demand to share her knowledge and vision through
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speaking teaching engagements and she presented in 2018,
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obesity the Modern Famine during TEDxTulsa.
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In October 2019, she launched a continuing education course
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called Creating Health Pharmacists-Led Lifestyle and
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Weight Management.
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She is nationally known as an advisor to industry and
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government regarding the community pharmacist's role in
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integrative health and she is the new author in 2024 of her
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publication Obesity the Modern Famine.
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And she is a proud mom of two wonderful adults, emma and Abby,
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and a Girl Scouts mom to many.
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Creating a culture that produces health is Dr Campbell
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and she is devoted and she is on Cold Press Conversations
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Welcome.
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Speaker 1: Yay, that makes me feel tired.
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I do it a lot.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling well, I have to tell people what you're
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doing, cause I mean you are you know, when I went to your
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website, I had the joy of seeing what you have.
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You've taken pharmacy to one level and then you took it to
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another level, and then what took it to?
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Because you're looking at the whole person and I thought that
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was really intriguing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to keep people from needing medications.
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You know, and I like when you have four generations of
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patients that you've had the privilege to care for.
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I've known some of these people longer than I knew my mom I do
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not want to get that call and I started when I was 25, so I've
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been aging with them and so in looking at aging well, I just
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noticed that the medications weren't giving me the results
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that I really wanted, and so that's when I went a much deeper
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dive into the biochemistry I'm like well, nobody has good
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foundational chemistry, nobody's culture, our culture is so
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disruptive and pretty toxic that we're living in an environment
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that makes it very difficult for the human species to really
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exist well, really exist well, and so, knowing that I use my
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education and tools and my history to help them create a
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new culture right within their own lives.
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And you know, in part of my history and I say this in the
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TEDx I've been obese my whole life.
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So I was 100 pounds at five in 1972, pounds at five in 1972 and
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200 pounds at 10.
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I graduated 275 in the 80s.
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I had a 350 pound grandpa during the Great Depression,
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okay, and I just knew that it wasn't just about food.
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And so I took that personal study and that personal journey,
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plus a few degrees in biochemistry, basically and
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created some solutions.
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And then I had patients who trusted me to help them and
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they'd implement the solutions and we got great results.
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And again, it's all about us having great lives.
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I want you to have a great life , I want to have one of those
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too, and I know health is foundational.
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Right, it's not impossible to have a great life and not have
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good health.
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But, man, it's a lot easier.
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So health isn't a lot of medications.
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We've been kind of groomed to think that health is in the pill
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bottle or at the doctor's office, and the reality is it's
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way before that.
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It's not needing those medications is where I want to
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help people be.
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Speaker 2: That's one thing that really attracted me to what
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you're doing, because you are a pharmacist and we did have a
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little pre-discussion about the biochemical part, the
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biochemistry, understanding inorganic and organic chemistry.
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We're looking at the whole picture of everything and you
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just finished talking about your own personal journey, but your
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journey with weight management, and you talked about how it
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influenced and shaped it.
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Do you think your approach will help shape future pharmacy
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professionals?
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I hope so.
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Speaker 1: I hope so.
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That's part of my game, so part of my unique point of view is
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I'm also really like science.
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I'm excited about applied science that makes a difference
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for people.
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I'm a little geek that way and I can kind of see the mechanisms
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in my mind and all this other stuff.
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But I was always intrigued by nutritional science and
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evolutionary science, science and evolutionary science, and I
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never thought that zoology degree would give me an insight
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to some of these foundations.
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So I would take that and I would read.
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I remember about 20 plus years ago.
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25 years ago, I read about fish oils.
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You died less often if you were taking fish oils.
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I thought, well, that's interesting.
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I think we should tell people that.
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Or vitamin D.
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25 years ago I'm like the research and my patients are
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coming back and they're all low in vitamin D when they are
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diagnosed with diabetes and then they fix the vitamin D and
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their diabetes gets better.
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What's going on here?
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And so I started looking at those nutrients and then I dug
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into the science that I had just had very little exposure to,
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but I knew how to go find a book and read about it.
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It's a lot easier now because you just go Google and Khan
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Academy and you can review the mitochondria and all this stuff.
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And so I just started looking at science beyond pharmaceuticals,
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right, and I started asking the questions well, why are we
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having dysfunction?
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You know what's going on the fact that you need a medication.
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I want to know why what's going on?
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And so when I started asking that question and then looking
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into the science for the answer, there was some answers there
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and that's what I started counseling patients a little
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differently.
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It's like how's your vitamin D when I'm dispensing a medication
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and I can tell that they're having certain issues.
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Well, have you thought about this?
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Have you looked at this?
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Bring me your labs.
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I want to see what your cholesterol is doing, and I
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would do that at as I'm counseling them about their
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medication, and they appreciated it.
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But it also impacted their health and wellbeing with most
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recommendations.
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Wow.
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Speaker 2: You know when you were talking about and we're
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going to just go back to the weight part, because there was
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something that I read.
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You said if obesity is a symptom and not the root cause
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that's what you were talking about Well, what would you
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suggest is the underlying health crisis?
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Because you made it very clear Obesity is a symptom not the
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root cause.
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I'm telling you that I like the way you said it because I'm like
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hold a second, she just went deep.
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It's a symptom.
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I think one thing that is important is that we talk about
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signs and symptoms.
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What is the symptom that someone has?
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Tell me?
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How does it feel?
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Where is it You're asking all these questions and how does it
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make you feel?
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What is the level of it?
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So, if it's a symptom and not the root cause and I'm breaking
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it down for our listeners because there's a difference the
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definition is huge between the two.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and and, to be honest, medicine has done
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a terrible job looking at obesity as a symptom.
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Now, if you have an elevated temperature, that's a symptom of
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an underlying problem right, they're going to look for an
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infection, they're going to look for this.
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But weight has not been perceived as such.
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Most of the time, weight is seen as a personal failing and
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there's a lot of shame around that.
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But I started first of all.
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I knew that personally, because I knew what I was eating and I
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knew what this skinny person over here was eating, and there
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was two completely different outcomes.
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And I knew there was a genetic component, which there are, and
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I just happened to be the kind of genetics of a family that if
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there really was no food around, we'd live and they'd die.
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So it was okay, it's just part of it, but the environment was
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not contusive to my genetics per se.
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What is obesity a symptom of is a really good way to think
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about it.
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And about 10 or 15 years ago, I heard a lecture on diabetes and
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the person giving the lecture made the comment that we know
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diabetes takes 15 years to happen.
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Okay, we know that there is chaos a brewing for 15 years
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that leads to the elevated sugar that we term as diabetes.
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And so when I heard that, I'm like, why are we waiting till
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you're 16?
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And so I started looking at that research, and one of the
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signs of this progress is increasing insulin.
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Well, the effect of increasing insulin is weight gain, an
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increased waist to hip ratio and elevated blood pressure.
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Now, we would see those way early, like you know, 10 years
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before.
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And so when I heard that, I think, well, I want to help
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people at that stage.
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I want to see if we can keep the diabetes from ever showing
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up.
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That's hard in our medical system because the doctors, the
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system, the insurance don't do anything unless there's a
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diagnosis, and so until you are sick, you will get no support or
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help or counsel from the doctor and the insurance system.
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And I don't think people want that.
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I think they want.
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I don't personally think people want to be overweight or want
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to be sick.
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They just either don't have support, don't know what they
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don't know, and so my job has always been to facilitate people
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having the health they want to live the life they want, and I
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think obesity is just one of those conditions that there are
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a lot of underlying drivers.
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One of those conditions that there are a lot of underlying
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drivers and fundamentally, like I say in the book, obesity is a
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modern famine.
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We are starved at the cellular level of what our biochemistry
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is.
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Machinery needs to function Okay, and actually there's about
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24 famines that I write about but fundamentally we don't have
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the chemistry for our bodies to work.
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Okay, and why?
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Well, recent study 73%.
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This is one reason.
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It's not all of them, but it's one.
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73% of all food produced in the United States is ultra
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processed food, ultra high processed food 73%.
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So three out of four options will kill you versus help you
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biochemically.
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Those aren't very good odds.
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Speaker 2: No, they're not One thing I do.
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I like to read the labels and I'm going to be honest with you.
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I'll share all my good foods that I have, the fun foods that
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I like to have, but I really try to be very careful about what I
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put in.
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I really try.
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Now we all have our days.
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I'm like okay.
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I love a good crunch and somebody said, well, you can
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have a carrot.
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Well, the carrot's not going to give me the same kind of crunch
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as a cheetah and cut it yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I know it's not, I know it's not a good thing.
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Okay, I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, I do like my vegan
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food, I really do.
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But I do sometimes have beef, you know, starting to see more
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bioengineered on the back of the foods, more and more and more
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and more.
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I know at one point they were concerned about the food
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coloring in the foods that we had that were supposed to be
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normal.
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They were actually dyeing the foods we're talking about, even
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meat, to give it that red look.
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So you're saying 73%, so that's a lot, that's a lot.
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And so, because you notice that when it hit the 90s, things
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started changing or actually mid to late 70s, that's when things
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started changing where you can even look at the photos of how
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people are, when they're even walking in the movies or when
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they're with their pictures and stuff like that, you can
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actually see the people who are there, like you and me, and they
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are smaller, they're smaller.
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Speaker 1: I really think the most catastrophic shift happened
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in the 80s and that's with the advent of the Happy Meal and the
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drive-thru, because with the Happy Meal or the kids meal
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Happy Meal or the Kids Meal all of a sudden what humans were
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trained to eat from infancy on was non-nutritive.
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So now we have kids meals that are chicken nuggets and burgers
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and pizza and mac and cheese.
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That kids meal is now what the adults want and fueled.
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Now I love a good nugget as much as anybody, but it doesn't
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populate the mitochondria right.
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It's not enough of the right nutrition, nutrients,
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biochemistry to actually generate energy at that
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fundamental level.
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Energy at that fundamental level, that's part of the
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deficiency, but it was a catastrophic shift in what
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humans considered food.
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Now the environment shifted so severely.
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I think that's part of why the dysfunction.
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And, like I said, I don't see obesity as the problem.
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It is the problematic.
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It's problematic.
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Trust me, carrying around 150 pounds is not great and it has
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its own burden.
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But the problem is we're in a society that that's the
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appropriate byproduct of living in our society.
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Speaker 2: But they're saying it's going to increase though
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too, Dr Kathy, aren't they?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the only way to shift this is at this
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point that I found is individually.
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You have to be radical, you have to push back and actually
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do crazy difficult things like cook you might have to seek out
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vegetables, you might have to grow things.
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Those are really radical in our society, when the standard way
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to eat is through a drive-thru and through a microwave or
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processed food and I coach people on that I'm like I need
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you to get mad.
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And most people come in mad at themselves, like I can't do this
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and I've tried everything, and I'm like, no, don't get mad at
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you.
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We are in a environment that if you do nothing else, you will
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get sick and you will get overweight.
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Okay, it's, it's you living on a Petri dish?
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That is toxic, right, but the opportunity is for you to
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understand that and to create a different environment, or what I
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call a different culture.
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If you think about a Petri dish , that medium is called a
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culture, and so I have people look at what are you living on,
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what is supporting you or disrupting you?
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And that's everything from the nutrition, the stress, purpose,
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friendship, connection, social networks.
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There's a lot of very well documented things that we need
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for our human species to function well.
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Other cultures do it way better .
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Okay, our culture is very toxic and, as a result, we're very
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sick culture.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
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So my husband, he looked at my meals a day because I came home
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from work and I was like I really want something tasty.
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I said I don't have any spaghetti in the house.
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But I said, oh, I have some heart of palm.
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So they were already sliced, let me cut it up.
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I said I'll boil the heart of palm a little bit.
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And then I said you know what?
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That's okay, I have some green tomatoes, spinach tomato base
00:20:36
that is free of everything, and there are out there I have to
00:20:41
pay a little bit forward.
00:20:42
Now I'm not going to lie to you and I use my Mrs Dash, which I'm
00:20:45
not getting any endorsements, y'all, but this is what I do use
00:20:48
my spices and I blended all that together, of course, and my
00:20:53
husband, he said, oh my gosh.
00:20:54
I said, well, I wanted to feel like I'm having vegetables on
00:20:56
the side.
00:20:57
So I baked some cauliflower and just added just a little bit
00:21:00
there and I said I just wanted something to have that crunch,
00:21:03
because I told you I love a good crunch.
00:21:05
So it's very difficult, though I'm gonna be honest with you,
00:21:08
it's difficult.
00:21:08
I like to cook, but because of the fast pace in which we are in
00:21:12
, I I understand why people don't want to cook.
00:21:14
They're tired when they get home.
00:21:16
Some people have been traveling for an hour hour and a half,
00:21:18
even though it was only a 30 minute ride home, but it's now
00:21:21
an hour hour and a half because of the traffic.
00:21:23
It is just really, really a lot on them.
00:21:25
And then they go home with maybe their four kids and they
00:21:29
have the dog running around, their husband's coming in or
00:21:32
their mate is coming, their partner's coming in, and so they
00:21:34
have so much that's going on there with them, so it's very
00:21:37
difficult for them to decipher what it is that they need to do,
00:21:41
and you even talk about that, like you say, what do you mean
00:21:45
by deciphering the body's clues for better health?
00:21:48
And you gave a few.
00:21:49
Do you have, like your list of what to decipher as our body
00:21:53
clues?
00:21:53
Cause, like I told you, I love my crunch, some people like the
00:21:56
salt, some people like the sweet , you know some people.
00:21:58
Speaker 1: You know that we all have that little thing you know,
00:22:01
I think the biggest strategy that I help patients with is
00:22:05
figuring out their unique machine in their unique life,
00:22:09
because everybody's biochemically unique.
00:22:12
And that's one of my frustrations with medicine is
00:22:15
they have this standard of care but there's no standard humans.
00:22:18
Even the biochemistry of each person is different, but then
00:22:22
you place them in different environments and you have each
00:22:26
person has difficult or easy cultures and socioeconomic and
00:22:31
transgenerational stress.
00:22:33
So all those things play in and ultimately the practitioner
00:22:38
can't fix it it.
00:22:48
But if you educate and support the individual as a partnership
00:22:49
in their team, oh my gosh, they can do amazing things because
00:22:51
they know their life.
00:22:51
One of the most difficult lifestyles and cultures that
00:22:54
I've had to help patients interrupt was that like of a
00:22:57
long haul trucker Okay, so think about that life.
00:23:01
Or, like you just said, a mom of four kids after having had to
00:23:06
commute and all that stuff.
00:23:07
So the solutions there are a little different for each.
00:23:12
As far as strategies, okay, strategies to create a culture,
00:23:18
and what I have patients look at is how their body is basically
00:23:23
functioning Okay, so I see health as function.
00:23:26
Are you functioning well?
00:23:29
And you get to say what that is .
00:23:32
And, trust me, I won't see poor function on a CBC, a lab work.
00:23:38
By the time a lab test is off, you're really sick, but your
00:23:43
function would have given you clues way before.
00:23:46
I'm not sleeping as well, oh, I'm grumpy.
00:23:49
Oh, my energy is down.
00:23:51
Those are all functional adjustments and so if I can
00:23:55
teach you to pay attention and tweak based on that earlier
00:24:02
upstream, then we can prevent the onset of disease.
00:24:05
So that's the first thing is I teach people to listen and I
00:24:09
tell patients as we move along and we try different things.
00:24:12
The key is figuring out what works and what doesn't work for
00:24:16
your unique machine.
00:24:17
That is a trial and error.
00:24:19
But each individual, when you really teach and empower an
00:24:23
individual to do that, it's phenomenal.
00:24:25
We look at those functional.
00:24:27
We look at sleep.
00:24:28
We look at gut function.
00:24:29
I always tell people if you eat a great diet and you take a lot
00:24:33
of good supplements but your gut doesn't work, you didn't eat
00:24:38
it, they did not get within the bloodstream.
00:24:41
So a functioning gut is a critical thing.
00:24:44
Again, sleep and cognition how well is your brain working?
00:24:49
Is it slow, is it happy, is it sad?
00:24:53
Those things are functional adjustments in the brain.
00:24:58
Okay, and what I think?
00:25:00
I think what runs the whole body is the mitochondria.
00:25:06
Wow, which is the cellular energy factory, because if you
00:25:11
don't make enough energy every day, all day, that is a crisis
00:25:18
for the brain, okay.
00:25:21
And energy is produced in the mitochondria, which is in muscle
00:25:25
, and so we have to get all those nutrients deep into those
00:25:32
little factories for them to produce atp or the energy
00:25:36
molecule.
00:25:36
And if you don't do that well, then the body has to adjust, and
00:25:42
some of the adjustments are obesity, fatigue, sugar,
00:25:47
dysregulation, poor energy, grumpiness, depression.
00:25:52
All those things I see as functional, appropriate
00:25:56
adjustments of the body to keep you going, survival, right.
00:25:59
So I kind of think about all that.
00:26:02
But then I help you just figure out.
00:26:03
All right, how do we get enough in?
00:26:05
Right, I love it.
00:26:07
Speaker 2: And then the other thing as a pharmacist, the
00:26:10
medications that people are on are complicating the whole thing
00:26:14
okay, I know we're getting close to the end, but how do you
00:26:18
work with their medication and help them with that change?
00:26:23
Speaker 1: So I try to get everything working better, and
00:26:26
what often can happen is I don't need the medication, so we've
00:26:29
got to talk to the doctor about adjusting those things, like
00:26:31
when the blood pressure is going too low.
00:26:33
Now we've got to adjust those.
00:26:35
But medications only work as an adjunct to diet and exercise,
00:26:41
and when I kept seeing the medications not quite working
00:26:44
well, it just occurred to me that we needed to work on the
00:26:48
nutrient and the basic processes .
00:26:50
The other thing that many medications do that your
00:26:53
listeners really need to know about is this concept called
00:26:57
drug-induced nutrient deficiency Wow.
00:27:01
Which means when you have a medication on board, it can
00:27:06
alter, use up, deplete nutrients that are critical, or it can
00:27:11
even affect the absorption of nutrients.
00:27:14
So a lot of the acid blocking drugs for reflux will block
00:27:19
completely many of critical nutrients, which starves that
00:27:23
cell more.
00:27:24
So, as a pharmacist, I am critically looking at that.
00:27:28
I do not want a medication to cause problems down the road if
00:27:32
I can avoid it, and so I am very aggressive about looking at the
00:27:37
nutrients that may be negatively affected by the drugs
00:27:40
that, if we support, will help.
00:27:42
So that's an important thing.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: My name is Jules, I use gems.
00:27:45
You've dropped a lot of gems to our audience and I just want to
00:27:49
say thank you.
00:27:50
I know our time has come to a close.
00:27:52
I mean, I could go on forever with your questions because you
00:27:55
have just given us so much wealth.
00:27:57
When you even talked about, like you said, weight gain,
00:27:59
waist to hip ratio, high blood pressure, those are signs we can
00:28:03
think about Pro-2, it starts 15 years beforehand for the
00:28:06
diabetes, mitochondrial cellular factor dealing with how we're
00:28:12
starving at the cellular level or drug-induced nutrient
00:28:14
deficiency, culture of toxicity.
00:28:17
That's here you have given us so much and that's you gave me
00:28:24
what I want my audience to hear.
00:28:26
I'm so thankful for you, dr Kathy.
00:28:30
Speaker 1: You're very welcome, thanks for being on, and I will
00:28:32
say I go into each of those pretty in depth and at a very
00:28:36
conversational level in the book .
00:28:38
So the book is Obesity, the Modern Famine, and it's
00:28:43
available on Amazon and all those places and we just got an
00:28:46
audio book but I talk in depth where people can really start
00:28:51
seeing where in their machine they could see that this might
00:28:55
be going on.
00:28:56
So I encourage you to actually maybe look at that or reach out.
00:29:01
Holler at me, I'll be know what listeners.
00:29:04
Speaker 2: One thing that I'm working on is I'm getting some
00:29:07
amazing guests who have books that I am actually on a backlog
00:29:12
of reading, because the authors that I'm having on those who are
00:29:17
of professionalism and they have they've been vetted, they
00:29:22
have their doctorates, they have their pharmacy, they have their
00:29:25
books are learning lessons.
00:29:27
I mean, we could actually have a lecture based off of
00:29:31
everything that I've gotten today that Dr Kathy has given to
00:29:34
us.
00:29:34
So the book is on the shelf.
00:29:36
I just got to pull it out with the others because, I told you,
00:29:39
I'm on a backlog of reading, because I'm reading all of my
00:29:42
guest's books and I'm learning a plethora of information, and I
00:29:47
just want to say thank you so much.
00:29:49
You have helped our community and that's what I wanted, and
00:29:54
not only are you helping the community with your voice and
00:29:57
being a TEDx Tulsa 2018, you have also published a book that
00:30:05
is going to help us make better choices and at least seek
00:30:10
assistance so that we can make ourselves better Because, as you
00:30:14
stated, unfortunately we are in a society that is just
00:30:19
different from it was in the past.
00:30:22
The 20th century is vastly different from the 21st century.
00:30:25
We are advancing, and even though we're advancing the
00:30:29
advancements, and some of the advancements have been
00:30:32
detrimental to us from a nutritional side.
00:30:35
And that's where Dr Kathy comes in.
00:30:38
I just want to say thank you so much.
00:30:39
You're so welcome.
00:30:40
Speaker 1: Thank you for your generous acknowledgement.
00:30:42
I appreciate that.
00:30:44
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no problem.
00:30:45
Did you want to leave one nugget with our fans?
00:30:48
Speaker 1: We live in a culture that is challenging, like you
00:30:51
said, and I think as much as the nutrition is challenging and we
00:30:54
can address that.
00:30:55
We're humans and we have to remember that we are animals
00:30:59
that are designed to be connected, and the most powerful
00:31:03
chemistry we have to facilitate health is first love and second
00:31:08
is food, and so I love that you're bringing people together
00:31:11
on this platform, but seek out, and the worst thing for your
00:31:17
health is being alone, and so we are still humans that need
00:31:22
humans, even with this digital craziness that is advancing way
00:31:27
faster than I'm capable of dealing with.
00:31:29
The reality is your body and your spirit and your mind works
00:31:34
best when it's connected with other humans and when we eat
00:31:38
enough nutrition, and so attacking those two things and
00:31:42
really seeking to support that will do amazing things for
00:31:47
health.
00:31:48
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it.
00:31:48
Thank you so much.
00:31:50
I just want to say thank you very much for just being tuned
00:31:53
in and enjoying this engaging discussion that Dr Kathy and I
00:31:57
had.
00:31:57
We're going to continue to focus on the various topics that
00:32:00
matter in our lives, in our communities and beyond, until
00:32:04
next time.
00:32:04
This is Dr Jewel, I'm signing off and I want you to take care
00:32:07
and I want you to remember that knowledge is power when it comes
00:32:09
to your health, but, more importantly, that this is for
00:32:12
your health and for your cognitive, your cognitive
00:32:15
happiness.
00:32:15
Y'all take care.
00:32:16
I hope you enjoyed this episode of Cold Press Conversations.
00:32:22
If you love this episode as much as I did, I need you to
00:32:27
head on over and subscribe so you never miss an episode.
00:32:29
This is Dr Jewel signing off to health and cognitive happiness.
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